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  MSNBC    Morning Joe    News/Business. Interviews with newsmakers  
   and politicians; host Joe Scarborough. New.  

    April 7, 2011
    6:00 - 8:59am EDT  

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number one story, a close friend to president obama has arrested on a prostitution charge in hawaii. i looked right at donny deutche as aread this. this is like a real friend, went to school with him and vacation, not like aer butt er not like aer butt e buirther ki thing. arrest for prostitution. timing my wife's contractions still very early so we are not going to name our daughter willie. >> rob, we've said it before, this show induces labor, more effective than pertussin. i recommend you name your child donnie, boy or girl. "morning joe" starts right now.
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>> this is very serious. i always take things seriously, but i've never taken it seriously like this. this is a very serious time in my life. i hate what's happening to the country. i wish i didn't have to do it, i wish this country was running so great and i wish obama was the greatest president since abraham lincoln and i wish this was the greatest place in the world. what we're doing is unbelievable. >> it's unbelievable says donald trump. welcome to "morning joe." it's thursday, april 7th. joining us on the set, the former governor of pennsylvania, nbc news political analyst, ed rendell. good to see you. chairman of deutche, inc., donny deutche. we have msnbc political analyst, pat buchanan. on capitol hill, nbc news capitol hill correspondent, kelly o'donnell. good morning to you all. >> reporter: good morning. >> we will talk to donald trump. he will call in about three or
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four minutes. we have a new poll out. nbc wall street poll, all the people laughing at donald trump, now in second place, four points behind mitt romney. what do you think? >> donald is a friend of mine. i find it interesting that people think it's unfathomable he could be president. here's a guy who obviously has a great economic mind, a leader, aggressive and more poised to be president than a guy who spent his entire life in politics and i think the voters are responding. joe scarborough wrote an interesting piece in the daily beast saying they laughed at reagan. if we can have an actor as president and action hero as governor. >> donald trump -- >> ronald reagan had been governor of california, a very important job very different. i think donald trump is saying things very important for the country. a friend of mine and obviously, i don't agr with him on a lot of stuff. what he says about china is
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right on, a responsive chord and very responsible. where donald loses me, again, i love him, where he loses me is in this birther stuff. he's too smart. he understands that's bs. >> we're trying to get him to come around on that. if you look inside these polls. among self-described tea partiers, donald trump gets more votes than anybody among republican contenders. 20%, more than romney, more than huckabee and more than sarah palin, pat. >> that's perot's number. he did enormously well with folks alienated from the system, says it needs to be shaken up. whatever you say about "the donald," he is colorful, doer, achiever, no pale pastels, says it like it is. there's a lot of colorless figures in politics. he's not one of them. that has tremendous appeal, as i say the people who are sort of
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outside of both parties. >> there are lots of pale pastels in his tie collection. >> kelly is plugging his ties. we'll leave you out of this donald trump conversation. we'll talk to him in a second. let's talk about the business at hand for the country. a late night meeting last night in president obama, speaker boehner, majority reid producing no results, came out saying the right things, we believe there's progress to be made. are we headed for a shutdown? >> reporter: when the first sentence includes the words frank and productive and constructive conversation, you know you're in a bit of trouble. it was very unusual for the president to be jumping into the briefing room to appear before cameras at almost 11:00 p.m., when you're talking about and unscheduled and unplanned meeting. that gives you a sense of urgency the president feels and leader reid and speaker boehner also talked about narrowing some issues. that's important, if they can narrow some issues, that could
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give some sign they're making progress. they've been saying progress a few day, and they all say the shutdown cannot happen because of the enormous consequences for people across the country depending on either their government job or loan from the government or all the myriad of things that could come to pass if it doesn't work out. today, one of the things house republicans will try to do is bring to the floor again another short term extension, another week of funding to prevent this from going off the rails. i get a sense people are more seriously preparing for a shutdown than they have been but at the same time, they're still talking. the president and the leaders who were there instructed all the staffers to work through the night to try and keep hammering away at this. >> i want to hear what some of the principals said late last night when they came out of that meeting at the white house. reid and boehner reiterating that negotiations were productive but, again, no break through. >> it was very honest. we've narrowed the issues
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significantly. and we're going to continue working. i have confidence we can get this done. we're not there yet but hope lieings eternal. >> we do have some honest differences. but i do think we made some progress. i want to reiterate there's no agreement on a number and no agreement on the policy. but there's an intent on both sides to continue to work together to try to resolve this. no one wants the government to shut down. >> governor rendell, you've been in the room for these kind of negotiations where you have two sides at a stalemate. take us inside. what do you think is happening? is anybody going to budge by midnight tomorrow? >> you have two big issues. number one, the number and number two, the social causes in the republican budget. president obama, senator reid cannot accept those, cannot september getting rid of npr and planned parenthood stripped of its funding, politically not feasible for them. republicans have to strip those
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out and go strictly budget, no social policy. secondly, if it's just the number, i think it will come down somewhere between 40 and 33. >> kelly, i want to ask you a question, donnie. a pugh poll basically said the average american when asked were disaffected if the government shut down, they pretty much said, no. from a republican/democrat point of view, who loses more if the government shuts down. neither side comes out a winner, strangely enough, republicans have more to lose here? >> reporter: interesting, both parties will take serious hits. it might be different than the '90s because of the times we're in and public marriedness for more cutting republicans are talking about. democrats have been able because of the president coming out and putting in more time and starting to appear more reasonable and one of the things we're seeing all the sides trying to do might give democrats a bigger advantage. from what we're hearing behind
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the scenes, senate republicans do not want to shut down, seem more willing to close a deal. for the house, okay, we don't want a shutdown with a very few exceptions but i think speaker boehner has been telling his folks they would be hurt and try to see those consequences if they can't get it done. i think everybody feels the pain already. people are asking about it all over the campus on capitol hill, we're talking about it everyday. i think there's a sense this is really a problem because people know what to expect now, it isn't like the '90s where it is harder to figure out the consequences, much more vivid and people's paychecks at stake and ability to do their jobs and a lot of other things, not just in washington but around the country making stakes really really high. when the president came to the podium, one of the things he said, remember, this is about real people waiting on paychecks and jobs and loans from the government and all kinds of things. there's a sense this is more about just the political fight
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of the moment and trying to make it more personal. >> 800,000 federal employees would be furloughed. it has a big impact. want to bring you on the phone donald trump just called in. good morning donald. >> good morning. we have new polls out. nbc "wall street journal" poll have you tied for second among republican candidates, tied with mike huckabee and close to within the margin of error for mitt romney. what do they tell you? >> caller: too bad. i thought i was going to be better than that. i don't like being second. i'm like ed rendell. we don't like being second, ed, right? >> that's right. the panel is packed with your supporters, donny and myself. >> between donnie and you, like this call. >> they said could you call in this time? they said you three guy, i said absolutely. >> talking serious matters, we're watching to a lot looks like a pathetic procedure in washington, you can't get people
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to agree on a budget for six months let alone one to take us through the next several decades. if you were president of the united states, what would you be doing differently? >> caller: i would be getting people together and getting them to go along, let's approve something. you have to get something done. the big thing is next year. you're talking about trillions. if you can't talk about $30 billion, you will have a really hard time talking about trillions and that's what's going to be happening. the president is not leading well. it's going to be very interesting. i'm hearing the republicans will be blamed if it doesn't happen, if there's a shutdown, i'm also hearing from other groups the democrats. i think the one that will suffer greatly will be the president, frankly, from the standpoint of embarrassment the republicans wanted to really embarrass the president, which i hope they don't, of course, that wouldn't be a very nice thing to do but let the government shut down a couple days, i think he's the one that would take the heat. >> donald, it's donnie. at the top of the show, they
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asked me is this serious? i said of course it was touting your credentials. if i was running your campaign, i would say, bro, what's with the birther stuff, that's not what you're here for. the whole focus is economic deficit, the americans don't care about it. i would say, bro, get back on track. what are you doing with birther stuff? >> in my mind and the mind of a lot of independents trivializes what you're saying and you're saying important stuff the public has to hear. get off thor butter stuff. >> caller: i understand what you have to say, i appreciate your statements. it's very serious. i know it's very serious. over the years, people have asked me to do it before. i never did consider it very long. one time i considered it but not for a very long period, that is for the reform party, they wanted me so badly and i said this isn't for me and frankly,
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the country isn't in trouble like it is now. it is totally serious and i will be making a decision sometime prior to june. i think my credentials are great. first, i've dealt with politicians? somebody said he doesn't have experience. i've dealt with politicians and if i can deal with ed rendell, a friend of mine for 25 years, i can deal with anybody. i've dealt successfully with politicians and political people and people from other countries. i'm building projects in other countries. i've dealt successfully many, many years and made billions of dollars. one of the things that will be interesting is that if you run for president, you have to put in financial disclosure. i'm actually looking forward to doing that. i look forward because i have really built a great company. >> donald, donald, the whole thing is that you're not a politician yet you just did the politician thing, governor rendell and i both asked, we love you, get off the birth err thing and you didn't respond to it. >> caller: i'm getting back to
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the birther thing. >> this is a short show. >> caller: first, you said, are you serious? i am answering the fact i am very serious and making the announcement and i have a great track records and i've made billions and billions of dollars and that's what the country has to start doing. okay, as far as the birther is concerned. i always start off by strongly talking about i went to a great college, maybe any bethe best, n college, i am a smart guy and have very high aptitude test, all of that stuff. frankly, anybody that gets labeled birther, a very derogatory term the way the press uses it is considered a not very smart person. the fact is he doesn't have a birth certificate or he hasn't shown it. i'd love him to show it. if i decide to run, i'd like to beat him straight up, not on an issue like this. but he shows a certificate of live birth, which is totally different. i have to say, if this were bush
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or somebody else, he would have been run occupant of office on all of these facts. his grandmother in kenya said, oh, no, he was born in kenya and i was there and i witnessed the birth. she's on tape. i think that tape's going to be produced fairly soon. somebody is coming out with a book in two weeks, it will be very interesting. the grandmother in kenya is on record in saying he was born in kenya. the hospital has not only a birth certificate or if they have it, they should produce it or maybe there's something on it, who knows but they have no records he was there. the family is fighting over which hospital in hawaii he was born in. nobody knows which hospital. they say, no, it's this one or that one. their family in hawaii is fighting. a couple of other things. when i was born in jamaica hospital in queens, when i was born, there are records saying how much my parents paid for the doctor, who the doctor was, what room number i was born in, all of these things that you have.
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there's not one record in any hospital in hawaii that barack hussein obama was born there. >> donald, i want to get to pat buchanan. let me just ask you, don't you think that if this were all true, hillary clinton, for god's sakes and john mccain, even further, would have gotten to the bottom of this? >> caller: excuse me. they lost the election. they lost. they didn't win, they lost. and i will tell you, this is an amazing issue, because everybody -- i've had friends both ways, but i've had some very smart friends call me and say, donald, you are so good on china ripping us off, something very close to ed's heart, i know that, you are so good on the fact china is ripping off the united states and that south korea and everything, you're so good on these issues, please say -- i say, no, no, they are my main issues 100%, what china is doing to our country is disgraceful, what opec is doing to our country is unbelievable
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and disgraceful. yesterday, by the way, a report came out, there's so much oil people don't know what -- i was watching, i was very disloyal, watching cnbc about two seconds yesterday. it's terrible, i'm ashamed to say. i still am in business and on occasion have to turn there. they had these three analysts there. it was sad. there's so much oil, we don't understand the shipping business, everything is bad, we don't understand, there's so much oil. why is the price not going down. one guy said we think it has to do with the psychology, they're all giving -- the only thing they didn't mention is opec. you have these three idiots sitting there talking about oil prices being high despite the fact oil is coming out of everyone's ears, ships all over the sea loaded up with oil and they don't know where to dump it. the only thing they don't mention is the cause for why oil is up to $108 a barrel. the only thing they'll mention is opec. it's unbelievable.
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i'm best at that stuff and i agree. you know what, when i started on the so-called bitter issue, eb issue, it was about four weeks ago, he probably was bo born -- what do i know? i'm in the business world and i haven't really focused on that issue and hearing about it for years and a lot of people feel very strongly about it both ways. when i really started looking at the facts and i really started. i have people looking very deeply. when you look at the fact that there's not one -- hey, donnie, i guarantee you the hospital that your -- they've done a beautiful job, look how good you look. they really did a good job when you came out. >> you, too, are a handsome man. >> caller: i guarantee you this, you go to that hospital whatever it was. >> long island jewish hospital in queens. >> caller: they have your mom and dad and how much they paid and this horrible accident and they have all these things,
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every detail, how long what time you checked out. there's not one hospital in hawaii with any record that he was born there. let me just go to the final point, ed. >> final point. >> caller: the final point on the birther. final point is the newspaper. guess what? his grandparents probably put in a thing because everybody wanted to become a united states citizen, more so than today, to be honest with you because they were more proud in those days, but for purposes of hospitalization and welfare, you want to become an american citizen, so the grandparents living in honolulu, living in hawaii probably put it in, a very simple explanation. they didn't do it because they thought he would be president, put it in because they wanted him to become a united states citizen. everybody wanted that. >> let's get pat in here before we let you go. >> that's what i want to ask you about, the honolulu advertiser about a week later it put in the
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previous week's births. >> caller: right. >> it's got barack hussein obama junior right in there. >> caller: right. absolutely. you know who did that, pat, is the grants parents living over there. you just said the key words, one week later. he could have been born in kenya, they come over to the united states, the grandparents put the ads in and i'm telling you, there is a major chance that this guy has violated the united states constitution and there is absolutely -- look -- >> you know, they would have to travel -- you'd have to bring the kid out of kenya and bring him back to the united states. you have documents for all that, do you not? the mother would have to travel within a short period of time? >> caller: pat, there are documents. there are. you know what i asked myself? why has obama spent over $2 million on trying to get away from this issue? why? you know the funny thing, this guy is -- if i were a reporter, thank god i'm not, i would be on
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this issue because you know what, if i proved it right i would be the watergate reporter, one of the great reporters in history, i would have uncovered the greatest scam ever in this country. >> i have to jump in. we will do a real life role play to see as a president what kind 0 negotiator you would be. i left one of your buildings recently as willie pointed out, moved into a townhouse. you and myself were fighting over a security deposit about $15,000 apart, your people claiming they need to put a new bathtub in, i never take baths, can we split the difference here? >> caller: you can do whatever you want. we miss you in the building, donnie. he had left a beautiful apartment, unfortunately his dog ripped the crap out of the molding, is that right, donnie? >> i'm willing to pay the molding. i don't take baths. >> caller: that dog -- i know. that dog really ripped up. donnie whatever you say is okay with me. >> donald, niece are the issues the american people care about.
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>> caller: see how fast we can make a deal? >> by the way, that was interesting. he made the deal, made it happen. >> caller: donnie, if you're happy with it, i'm happy with it. >> imagine he's sitting across the table from a foreign leader, he got it done. >> donald, i would just submit you may have a problem when pat buchanan is shooting holes in your -- >> caller: i don't think he is. when he hears the facts, he won't be. you know what, there is a big possibility and people have to look at that. i'm sorry. >> donald trump, thanks for calling in. >> caller: great show. so long. >> who's better than him? nobody. nobody upo nobody! >> it is a problem. he has so many important things to say, it really resonates. this conspiracy theory is absurd, you're right. all you have to do is look at the travel visas and see. >> coming up, the house of the budget committee. chris van hollen brings in aaron
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schock of illinois and andy cohen on every bus and cab in new york city, his face, he's everywhere. after the break, why republican 2012 hopefuls are paying homage to new jersey governor, chris christie. a check on the forecast. good morning. a lot of people waking up to light rain. not too ugly. maybe an hour or two, light rain. see the green on this map? this is the area of light rain from the poconos to southern connecticut, and long island, it will be gone shortly. 55 in new york, 45 in boston. at least you're sunny. down south, 70 degrees. as far as the masters, a nice dry forecast and kansas city and st. louis, you could see a chance of showers and storms as
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we go through the afternoon. anyone traveling through the west coast, that's where the stormy and cool weather is the next two days. you're watching "morning joe," brewed by starbucks. it bringsis
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if only someone would come forth and take advantage of this ragtag sometimes narcissistic figure. >> he was a poet, a scholar and a mighty warrior.
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he was also the most shameless exhibitionist since barnum and bailey. >> stop stop! don't shoot us! don't shoot us. >> watch it, watch it! >> never seen a man killed with a sword before. >> now, in 3d. >> geraldo covering the war. >> it wasn't fair, we clipped it. >> mike allen, with a look at the playbook. hey, mike. >> good morning. >> let's talk about this ticking clock in washington. lawmakers up on capitol hill. i understand, making contingency plans for a possible shutdown. what's going on? >> they are, willie and congress
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members like other parts of the government have to figure out who is essential and what we learned in past shutdowns is they're able to declare all their staff members are essential to perform constitutional functions and the first person to publicly do this is investigations chairman, daryl isaac, who tweeted all his staff is essential coming to work. here is the dilemma senators and members face. you want to keep as many staff members as you can because people get furloughed in a situation like this are the people you need most. your kids making 30, $40,000 a year, living on the hill, they go without a salary for a week, they can't pay their rent. you don't want to furlough those people yet you don't want the tea parties conservatives back home saying you kept this big staff, others are being more fiscally conservative. members we talked to said they
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feel like they will be caught coming and going, either keep a big staff while other people are trimming down or people say to them, look, if there are only four people essential, why do you have 33 on your payroll? >> kelly from capitol hill, is there any sense if you do reach a shutdown, any sense why it should go on, if we hid midnight friday, if there is a negotiations resolved quickly, is there any way to know that. >> reporter: they're feeling the crisis point already. how long it would go on is tough to stay. a couple days in '96, couple weeks in '95, once they get rolling, it's either greater momentum to get it done. if you let it go to the brink and fall off the cliff, you may be so far apart as negotiators, harder to get back together. not something people are talking about but plans can go two weeks to four weeks in terms of thinking how they would organize things around here. mike is right, everybody is
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trying to figure out who's essential, who is not. i had one senior staff tore a senator saying i think i will be answering phones trying to talk to constituents next week if it comes to that. a lot of people trying to figure where they come in and many members and staffers saying can i use my office provided blackberry or my phone or laptop. the rules say no. a lot of confusing and frustration what it means in practical terms. that's just for the people that work on capitol hill. there are government employees all over the country and each has a different set of circumstances, things like meat inspectors and they're essential and law enforcement. it's a tough line and certainly everybody wants to argue their case. if they decide to retroactively pay people after a shutdown, there's the question are you paying people who were not working. it's complicated no matter how you look at it. >> pat, what have you got? >> i would ask kelly, if the republicans pass a short term one week continuing resolution today, with some budget cuts to
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which the democrats have agreed, doesn't the senate have to basically say, we're not going to do that and isn't the senate then primarily responsible for the shutdown? >> reporter: certainly, that's what republicans would say, sounds like you've been on the phone with them, pat. what they're talking about today -- >> i thought of that myself. >> reporter: they're talking about $12 billion in cuts and taking from them things already on the list of cuts. and they would extend payment for the department of defense for the rest of this fiscal year something secretary gates has pretty much begged congress to do so the pentagon would not be on this day-by-day peace meal approach. john boehner says he will get that passed today and also waived this rule we talked about once in a while how a bill has to be available for three days, they're willing to pass that, information forego that so if they have a deal, they wouldn't have to sit on that for three days and move
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things along. >> mike, i have to talk to you about what they're calling kristie primary, looks like they're courting new jersey governor chris christie. >> reporter: they are. everybody wants his stamp of approval as a conservative, popular on "morning joe" and around the country. last week, governor pawlenty was there, previously governor haley barbour and mitt romney all coming through his mansion to get a little download with him. his staff says they're not sure he will endorse but these guys love just having us know they have set down with him. >> i have a different take on that. governor crhristie made no bone, he likes to eat. they're not just going to a meeting with him but to dinner with him. he must set a great political
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tab table. red sox looking at their worst start in 15 years and breaks the hearts of fans. lebron james is teaming up with red sox ownership? what? details in sports. [ sneezes ] allergies?
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let's take a look at the morning papers, financial times, portugal's outgoing prime minister has asked the european union for financial assistance, a lot of it paving the way for a third bailout after greece and ireland. the administration is taking steps to fire yet another
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air-traffic controller caught sleeping on the job. faa officials say the knoxville, tennessee controller wilfully napped on the job, leaving seven planes unassisted, seven planes. in the "new york times," bob dillen played his first concert ever in mainland china last night agreeing to a set list carefully approved by the chinese government. among those he did not play "the times are a changing." surprising dillen went for the censorship. >> very off-brand. the masters tournament is teeing off in a few minutes. and looking primed to defend his title, mickelson came off a win last weekend. he tees off at 1:48. tiger woods still looking for his first tournament win since all the nonsense. a start at 10:41 this morning. no surprise who is liked to win the tournament.
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6-1 and tiger, 8-1 and lee west wood is getting 16-1 odds in vegas. >> it should always be odds everyday at 6:38, odds on something. we have a big gambling contingency. >> i'm always happy to show the vegas odds. you shouldn't gamble kids but if you do, we'll provide the odds. look at the shot by craig st statler. a wallruswalrus. it really creep and find its way into the hole. an ace. 16 players take turns skipping the ball on the water and across the green. i cannot do this. that's phil mickelson. he wins the contest but means nothing, no winner there has ever won the green jacket the following sunday. going 0-5 for the first time
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since 1996, playing in an a near empty stadium in cleveland last night, in the sixth inning, cabrera cranking a three-run home run off dan wheeler, cleveland up 7-2. adrian gonzalez trying to bring the sox back, two-run shot to right, his hirst home run in a boston uniform, expensive one and taking tim wakefield deep, red sox lose 8-4, now 0-5. natives are getting restless in boston. don't mean to belabor the point but this is now 186 days, donny, since the red sox win, came october 3rd against the new york yankees. >> i find it interesting mr. barnicle nowhere to be seen, hiding like the coward he is. >> and they have the rays down with them in this basement. lebron james is partnering with red sox owner john henry
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and his fenway sports group. it's a deal that gives james an ownership stake in the liverpool english premier soccer team henry owns. also a long term marketing deal and branding with lebron and his management company. he say his partnership with red sox owners is strictly business. he's opening himself to the world, going overseas. good move. >> i have never seen a guy hurt his brand over the last couple of years. he has become such an unlikely athlete and cost himself hundreds of millions of dollars. >> he did it his ownself. >> when we come back, norah o'donnell and must read opinion pages. [ male announcer ] this...is the network.
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donald trump as president, is that great with you? >> donald is a good friend of mine. i don't know that donald really wants to be president. we've spoken about it. all i can say is i'll believe it when i see it. >> governor chris christie talking about the prospects of donald trump. and nbc correspond norah o'donnell. hi, norah. >> reporter: good morning, guys. >> you had interesting insight about the polls we put up about tea party support and who they're supporting in the republican party. we talked about trump. it's the second name on the list that caught your eye. >> sure. i don't still believe donald will be a serious candidate.
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look at mitt romney's numbers, 17%, 1 out of 5 ahead of huckabee, palin, bachmann, et cetera. that's a sign to me the tea partyites are getting ready to accept romney as their candidate. everyone says romney can't make it because the far right, the religious right will not support him. that's good news. the best part of that poll is good news for mitt romney. >> it is remarkable mitt romney was five points ahead of sarah palin, the standard bearer before there. >> reporter: i think that's good news and think romney's people is encouraged. one other interesting finding are the limits of the tea party popularity. i think the number was just 29% of all those surveyed feel positively about the tea party. 44% negatively. you see this delicate dance for instance romney is doing, which is trying to court the tea party but not doing it in a very obvious way, if you will, wanting their support but not trying to look like the leader
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of the tea party movement like michele bachmann does. >> pat, has the tea party thrown its arms around mitt romney? >> no. i agree with the governor. romney is handling this very well. what he wants to be is a candidate acceptable and welcome to the tea party folks but he is not one of them. i think that's what he's doing. the very fact he has acceptability at 17%. nobody else has a real high number, i think is outstanding news for romney. i think he's handled himself very well, been very low-key, not been out front but building organizations in early states so he does well early there and has legs so he can take a loss or two and still be competitive in the later ones. he's done very well. >> i will bring in kelly o'donnell. nick crisoff in the new york times saying why pay congress if there's a government shutdown. imagine how disastrous it would be if the government shut down
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for any length of time. unpaid federal employees would cut down on shopping and miss house payments and family members might drop out of college, the irs might not be able to deliver tack refunds and some not pay government loans and in sum, after the democratic stimulus, we would have the republican drag. >> reporter: some totally agree with that. said they should not take a salary and some say they would donate it to charity if they don't pass it that would pay benefits to members of congress and there were a shutdown. that gets a lot of traction with very few exceptions. there are many members of congress quite wealthy and don't seem to have a problem with that. those not wealthy, they also in many cases agree it would not be fair and set the right example. they haven't made that official
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yet. there have been a couple things, bills put forward and strip-away salary and make that clear, especially because it's unclear what would happen to service members, men and women in uniform and what happens to their salary especially if a shut down goes a long way. it's a hot button. easy to point fingers at congress. they know that. those i talked to, a senator that just came up and said hello after being on the treadmill with four members downstairs and they're watching, they say, this morning and they're all talking about that and something they want to see get done. instant feedback here, instant feedback. >> we love it. senator barbara boxer brought a bill. >> reporter: she sure did. >> to suspend congressional paychecks, if there's a shutdown. donny, you're a messaging guy. how does this look like to washington? does it look like washington is a do-nothing place? how depressing is it? >> almost that people almost expected it. if you go back, playing clips in
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the '90s, armageddon is coming and we've been an neststy sized to bad news and these two sides act completely partisan. i don't think there is a fear factor and this is what it is, how these two parties act right now and if anything, i'd like to wonder how obama comes out of this one more example of his positively passive leadership, get to where we need to get to but never takes the iron fist. this is another example. >> reporter: i think it was noteworthy the president called the leaders to the white house late last night, the president appearing in the briefing room very late, trying to look above the fray something those in congress have to work out, said i will not accept any more short term extensions. just to add one other thing, secretary gates is in baghdad, the defense secretary, said american troops will get a halt in the pay. you can bet when american people hear troops won't get paid but members of congress are getting
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paychecks, i don't think that will make many members of congress look very good before the american people. >> i don't understand it, how can our troops not be considered essential? >> that won't fly. >> reporter: why did secretary gates say that? >> if there's anybody essential other than law enforcement, are men and women fighting, good god. >> reporter: it would be a gap, not necessarily getting paid right away but a hardship for all of them. >> it would be pathetic if one serviceman had to wait one day. >> we appreciate it. "news you can't use" next. fiber one chewy bar.
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oh, yes, is it time? >> it is time prerecord record mika. thanks so much. joe and mika off today. glenn beck ended his show yesterday. did you hear about this? >> sad. >> the news came out over the past couple of days his news show daily for fox is over. he will still have special guests and still have his radio show. he made it official yesterday on this show. >> i want to verify something that is true. i am going to leave this program later this year. paul revere did not get up on the horse and say, i'm going to do this for the rest of my life! he didn't do it. he got off the horse at some point and fought in the revolution. and then he went back to silversmithing. i have other things to do. not because it's good or bad for business, but i think you, out
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of all the people will truly get this. our only business is the business of freedom and our country at this time. >> what a despicable putz. >> why do you say that, going back to silversmithing. >> what a disgusting human being. >> for a dissenting opinion, to pat. >> one if by land and two if by sea. >> the paul revere of cable news. >> you let the despicable puts go by. >> plenty of "news you can't use." up next, the budget tomorrow as the deadline midnight looms. ♪
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they do not want to compromise, they only wanted one way, they want to shrink government up so small they can drown it in a bathtub. >> i sort of s-- they sort of sidelines taking potshots at everything republicans proposed while rooting for a shutdown. >> don't shut this government down, you're not going to shut it down on my watch. >> stand strong, hold your member of congress and senators feet to the fire because the american people are with you and
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we will prevail! >> welcome back to "morning joe." it's 7:00 in the morning, as you look at a live picture of the white house where a meeting broke up just about eight hours ago, with the president, majority leader reid, speaker boehner. here with ed rendell, donny deutche, pat buchanan and norah o'donnell in washington. welcome back. we are here with a member of the ways and means committee, represent schock. >> good morning. >> what do you think of what's happening and where can you find common ground? >> they have yet to produce anything they can pass out of their chamber. up to this point, we've been negotiating with ourselves and somewhat with the president. what we're really debating is trying to resolve on one number.
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the president came with $33 billion, our number has been $61 billion since we passed hr 1 earlier this year. john boehner made a good faith attempt to say let's settle on $40 billion. i'm not privy to the conversations that occurred late last night at the white house. a government shutdown benefits no one. at least on our side, we're genuinely interested reaching some kind of deal if we can but not willing to give up on our principle of reducing overall government spending. >> congressman, donny deutche, speaking of principles, i want to throw something out, what if democrats gave a little bit on entitlements, medicaid, medicare, would you say maybe we'll give a little bit on defense and highest earners and if we tax them and extra 1 or 2 percent, sounds like the world will go on. sounds like that will make sense, can i get you to agree to any of those things? >> tax increase will be difficult given the fact a
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bipartisan house or democrat house and democrat senate refused to raise taxes after the election and instead, keep rates the same. >> i am just asking you, once again, we always say what can't be done, i'm saying as a guy, you're a thoughtful leader, what i threw out there to the average person listening, wow, both sides could make a little move to you, wouldn't it make sense to you? >> with regards to entitlement reform and reduction in spending, the continuing resolution we're talking about right now is not doing anything with entitlements, discretionary spending. if you want to talk about the budget, absolutely, the paul ryan republican budget rolled out earlier this week addresses both, entitlement reform as well as cuts to defense spending overall by over $70 billion. the continuing resolution republican hr 1 that passed earlier this year cut $16 billion just in the remaining six or seven months from
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defense. we absolutely said there are no sacred cows, republicans or democrats, including the department of defense. nobody thinks every dollar spent over there is a perfect dollar spent and within the hundreds of billions of dollars the department of defense has, there can't be a waste and unnecessary dollars spent. absolutely, everything is on the table. we hope that the president will come forward with his own ideas on entitlement reforms. up until this point, he's just been critical and a bit of a demagogue when it comes to attacking our proposals. >> governor rendell. >> i agree with you, congressman, the president has to spell out what he's for. i think that's important. it's unconscionable and poll after poll shows you are talking about a plan that doesn't include revenue increases including closing tax loopholes. i want you to tell the american people, are you in favor of the oil companies getting $50 billionubsidies, as they do
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in the ryan budget when we're cutting programs to poor and old people? >> well, look, i don't -- >> a simple question. that's a simple question. are you in favor of the oil companies receiving subsidies? >> am i going to pick favorites within industries? for example- >> no, no, subsidies, they're making record profits. the american people want to know why you guys want to continue subsidies to them. >> allowing any company to take advantage of the research and development tax credit or other tax credits available to every industry is not a subsidy to a specific company. >> but there are specific subsidies to the industry, are there not? >> as a member of the ways and means committee, we are serious about tax reform. that includes getting rid of a lot of subsidies for a lot of industry, whether you're sugar beets, ethanol, oil companies, the goal of the ryan republican budget is lower the overall rate by 25% for every small business
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and every taxpayer. the only way you get there is by getting rid of a lot of subsidies. there aren't the industry specific subsidies we're speaking to. >> for the rendell budget cutters and there are a few of us, not many, can we put you down in favor of getting rid of the oil company tax subsidies. they're making record profits, you know that. >> subsidies for specific industries, i'm not for. >> great. good news. >> congressman, i guess the issue i have is many of your colleagues were elected in this last election, in part, because the american people are fed up with the size of spending in government and they want a balanced budget. and yet despite this very bold initiative put forward by congressman ryan, one part of this, i think not discussed at all, is still, it would not being balanced for another 30 years, until 2040. despite all these deep cuts that will be made in medicare and
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other things, in ryan's budget, because there is no revenue increases, it would not be balanced until 2040. how is that for the republican party? how can you go back to the most fervent people in your party and say you're serious about ending the budget deficit, if it still takes to 2040 to do that? >> what's important by 2013, it takes a sharp curve south and from that point on, becomes a diminishing percent of our gdp as a country. once you can control for debt and make it a smaller and smaller percentage of a growing dp gdp for your country, that's really what's important. the end of the day, we would love to pay off the debt tomorrow, love to pay it off the next ten years, the reality is the spending binge that just went on in washington d.c. the last couple of years and the doubling down of our debt, literally increasing of our debt by $4 trillion over the last couple of years makes it very difficult to do so. so what's important is we cut up the credit card and we make it
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impossible for us to get back into that situation by putting in statutory spending caps, which the budget does and put us on a path towards prosperity by making it a smaller and smaller percentage of gdp. if the president or congressional democrats have a better idea to pay it off quicker, i stand ready, as i think most on our side does, to see what their plan is. >> continentagressman, that's n correct. they said as a percentage of gdp we go from 67% now by 2022 under the ryan plan goes to 70%. read it. read it. >> congressman, there's -- one of the problems and perception out there is it's counselor intuitive to people who look at the ryan plan see you want to save money but you're cutting taxes, as donny said, to the wealthiest people, cutting the corporate tax rate. we can argue those are both good ideas. how do you fight the perception? couldn't you say a couple years
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from now, we'll raise the highest tax rate for individuals in this country and insulate yourself from that kind of criticism? >> what we're worried about is making america competitive. we recognize japan lowering the overall corporate rate america has the dubious distinction of the highest corporate tax rate in this industrialized world. that's not competitive. even if you think corporations should pay more, reality is even if you want multinationals competitive in the world, we need to be competitive those we're competing with. >> general electric? >> a 25% rate does not reduce overall revenue because it does not reduce the loopholes, subsidies, tax expenders, things that cost us money and make everybody pay a higher overall rate. what we're saying is let's get rid of those give-mes and lower the rate for everybody so we're more competitive and we don't pick favorites in certain industries. >> what about the individual tax rate is what i was trying to get
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at? it opens you up to giving tax breaks for wealthy while cutting for the poor. is that a smart idea to keep that tax rate down and at least not build in increases over the years? >> i think a low tax rate is important to overall economic growth. so it really depends on whether you believe in kensington economic theory or supply-side economic theory. i understand people see both sides. we've seen the keynesian economic theory play out the last couple of years, high tax rates, government spending and what has it gotten us? gotten us higher unemployment. for those who want to criticize supply-side economics keeping the tax rate low and growing the pie, i'd ask for us to get our shot in return to see if our plan will work. >> all right. congressman, we heard from the democrats. to pat buchanan. help him out here. >> congressman, it looks to me the democrats in the senate are a little fearful of a shutdown
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because obviously if they weren't, they would tell mr. boehner, take your $40 billion and you know what you can do with it, we're not going to accept it. what i will ask you, you will pass a continuing resolution today for about a week, you will cut $12 billion out the democrats have already accepted and it not only leaves about $7 billion you guys have to work on in the next week, do you think the democrats are going to accept that deal in the senate and they will pass that or will they say, no deal, and let the government shut down tomorrow afternoon? >> i think it would be a big mistake for senate democrats to reject the deal for two reasons. number one, because the american people support it. the american people support us cutting an additional $12 billion and continuing this march towards responsible spending and, number two, because it fully funds the department of defense the remainder of the year. it's one thing to close national parks when the government shuts down, another thing to tell our
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troops, men and women fighting overseas and family in this country they will not get paid. that's why folks on our side said this is unconscionable, something we won't allow to happen an we will fund the department of defense the remainder of the year and get additional $12 billion in cut for the remaining week government would stay open. that is an easy vote, i think, for senate democrats, united all the republicans on our side behind it. i think you will see the support in the senate among republicans as well. far be it for me, pat, to predict what the senate will or will not do, but i think it would be a mistake for them to take a pass on that. >> all right, congressman aaron schock of illinois. we appreciate you standing in front of the firing squad this morning. we wish you all the best of luck. this is critical you guys get something done. it's critical for you to be here. >> pat, it's donny. you tried to get the congressman to comment on this. this is a picture for me of a
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very specific thing. you're asking the little guy to give back, if you will. i want to understand, i don't want to use the term keynesian. if somebody is making a billion a year and tax them and extra 3%, making $970 million, tax them 3% making 900 something thousand dollars, they won't spend any less in the economy and that would raise tens of billions of dollars. it's fair and right and i'm one of those guys. why can't anybody acknowledge that? not even a gray area. i want to understand. i'm a clever guy. >> here's the reasoning, donny deutche made a lot of money, a smart guy, invested i eed it wi. we believe if you're taking that 3% of donny deutche's income, he will spend it wisely and better in terms of economic growth than harry reid and nancy pelosi.
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as simple as that. who are best equipped to spend the nation's wealth? quite frankly the people who earned it know how to make money and spend it -- >> contribute to working down the deficit. a simple formula and it's fair and it's right. >> the cause of the deficit is the fact spending has gone to 25%. >> it's a solution whatever the cause. a simple solution. it's just right. >> you keep taxing the well-to-do, tax the corporation, raise it to 70%, every job will leave the united states. >> i didn't say raise the corporations, i gave a very simple solution, to the wealthy of the wealthy, a few percentage points, it will not cause them to spend one dollar less into the economy, a simple way to take a huge ax to the deficit. >> you're taking it either out of spending by individuals or -- >> not going to take it out of spending. >> or taking it out of savings by individuals in order that the government can spend it. the government has to cut the spending.
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that's the problem! that's what the people said in november. >> pat, it's ed. i think we have to do both. i agree government has to cut spending? ment donny is making a good point. i'm sick and tired of republicans saying we have the highest corporate tax rate in the world. our effective tax rate is a third of what the stated rate is, look at ge, general electric made great profits and paid no taxes, pat. >> comcast paid 40%, i think. >> no tax, pat. >> something is wrong with the accounting office. ed, let me tell you where i agree with you. i'll do this. if you guys get spending down to 20% of gdp, the democrats do and i were in that congress, i would say we republicans are going to come up with 20% of gdp in taxation but we want to make it the right kind of taxation. i would use tariffs on chinese goods, i would go along with that but you guys go first and get the spending down to 20% and then i'll see your 20%.
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>> it's a deal. >> let's go. >> let's get donald on the phone also. >> the buchanan-rendell commission. >> that took us what, three or four minutes. >> and we solved it. >> coming up, ranking house members of the budget committee, chris van hollen will come up on the conversation, up next, savannah guthrie live with the president's latest effort to strike a budget deal. today's forecast looking better than expected for areas of southern new england, a little bit of light rain moving out quickly, this afternoon will be okay, really not affecting many people, southern connecticut and long island and exiting northern new jersey. partly cloudy skies, sunshine here this afternoon and temperatures in the mid to upper 50s, not bad. d.c. will get a taste of warm air at 69. tomorrow, cloudy and rainy. here's the next two days as we head to the weekend. southern half of the country,
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this is a video, taking in the stands at the yankees game sunday. this is why you should never ever fall asleep in the bronx.
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>> yeah! >> that's two, three. that's four! oh! >> impressive group, the yankee fans. >> that's television. >> those are our guy, donny. joining us "the daily rundown," savannah guthrie. >> good morning, everyone else. >> you have a big crew with you. you guys were up late as the president was meeting -- >> reporter: it's not me. i was thinking about those numbers crunchers here at least until midnight. i don't know if the deposit is going to shut down but they might after these working around the clock hours. i don't really have a strong sense where this is going.
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what ae's interesting some of t people i usually talk to, to get a sense of things, it's kind of quiet today. one interpretation is they want to let the negotiators negotiate and maybe trying to ratchet down some of the public recriminations in the hopes of getting a deal. my sense still is this could go either way and the threat of a shutdown is real. >> how concerned is the white house right now? if they're handicapping this? he had them over twice and the president might have them over again today. do they see hope? >> reporter: i think they're concerned about it, really concerned about it. over the course of this, the officials have been extremely frustrated by this. the way they look at it is we're just at this point now a matter of a few billion apart in how much to cut in spending. the democrats and the white house feel they have come halfway, maybe even more than halfway and think this few
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billion for last year's budget in the context of 3$3.5 trillio deficit is really -- they don't understand why this has turned out to be armageddon in terms of a showdown. bigger fights looming with next year's budget, raising the debt ceiling. there's a lot of frustration. i think they're hopeful somehow cooler heads will prevail and everybody will get a deal. john boehner has a really difficult problem on his hands as well. he has to get his republican conference in line behind any deal. for a lot of -- particularly the new members, compromise is a bad word. they want spending cuts. they don't want anything short of what they've got. >> ed rendell. >> are republicans ready to give up the social stuff in hr 1 like taking money away from planned parenthood? >> reporter: i don't think so. >> if they don't give that up, i don't ever see the senate
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approving that. i think we're in for a long haul. >> reporter: i think you put your finger on an issue my understanding very real in these negotiations. we faulk a lot about the numbers and can they get to the magic number that will produce a break through? these policy writers you mentioned and provisions part of the house bill passed with $60 billion in cuts and defunding planned parenthood or limiting epa, a whole range of policy riders, these are very important to the republicans and figure very predominantly into the discussions? ment ultimately, a deal could break down along those lines and wouldn't be about the number and the rider. i think it's very much a live issue and space to watch. speaker boehner has been talking about those policy riders all week and very important to the republican conference and unclear how you compromise on those. >> interesting to look at the nbc "wall street journal" poll that came out yesterday against the backdrop of this conversation, congressional job approval at 20%, actually a little lift for them.
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the president -- up 2 points. >> look at president obama's numbers, 49%, still hovering around that 50% mark, norah. >> reporter: yeah. i think what was fascinating is that the president appearing in the briefing room so late last night, i think it was around 10:45 after this meeting and the president still talking about the very narrow differences, savannah, i'm curious, since you're there, how you see the white house team navigating this politically. i thought it was fascinating to see the president yesterday talk about his own party in like the third person. >> is there a sense -- >> reporter: yeah. they're trying to appear above it all. >> i think that's clear and i read the same thing you're referring to. one of the papers observed that. jeff zellweger observed that in some ways the president refers to democrats as though they're some other entity and he doesn't associate himself with the democrats. i think -- and we talked about this earlier this week.
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any time the president seems like the guy who can come in and be the reasonable guy, all right, these two parties are fighting and can't we just all get along, let's get a compromise. you heard that tone yesterday. the last two days, i kind of think of it as like the disappointed parent routine. yesterday he said to this town hall, how many of you here are married? you know how it is in marriage, one person doesn't always get his or her way. that's how it is in the american family. the president very much is trying to occupy this space as the person of reason, the person who's going to eat some stuff he doesn't want to eat, in terms of cuts but ultimately, wants to get a deal and get the people's business done. that's the space president obama and his political advisors want him to occupy. >> you sit next to chuckles all day and he's our polling expert. >> chuckles. >> we're using his proper name.
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>> optimist, of course of cours support sticking it out and all important independents, the number i always look at say 66% want republican lawmakers and others to find compromise. the independents -- that pragmatic middle so many people say, where's the pragmatic middle in all this politics, independents wants sort of the grown-up, they want compromise. they want people to sit down and figure out how to work this out. >> pat -- >> reporter: norah, you're not the only one looking at the independents, the white house political shop, that's where the action is for them as well. they know that to be the place. i cannot play chuck todd on tv, i'll tell you one thing about the poll really interesting, our poll apportioned blame among parties, 37% blaming republicans nor a shutdown, 20% blaming president obama, another 20% blaming congressional democrats. there was blame to go around. one things our pollster told us in the concept of '95 and '96
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shutdown, before they actually happened, they were getting similar numbers where the blame was spread out equally. after the shutdown actually happened, that dynamic changed and that's when the republicans started to get blamed. the pollster also said it was fluid and change day-by-day. the point is the uncertainty, nobody knows if the government shuts down, who will pay the price politically. >> you've been in the room with these conversation, pat. what can the government do at this point? you have two sides that don't seem willing to budge, what should his role be and can it be? >> i get the sense, watching this, i'm surprised the democrats haven't said, no, we've had enough, do what you want. i think the president and democrats seem to be more fearful of a shutdown than the republicans do, who are coming to this continuing resolution. savannah, let me ask you this,
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have heard about and it's true, the tea party got a blowtorch on john boehner and he can't back down, what is the left wing of the democratic party doing to the president already locked up to $33 billion in cuts and boehner closing him to go closer to $40 billion out of the $60 billion, looks like a republican victory already and they're pushing for -- what's the left wing of the democratic party doing? >> reporter: that's one of the oddities, progressives, left wing of the democratic party, they are disappointed. they think the president and democrats on the hill did give away the store. you got to step back a couple months, this $33 billion figure we know the white house and democrats are willing to aseed to, that's the same figure paul ryan, the house budget chair initially proffered. a lot of democrats on the left side of the party are feeling disillusioned about democrats and the president's negotiating skills, feeling like, wait a
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minute, what compromise? you gave away the whole store. that has the irony. if that's the case and democrats think we got a raw deal, how is it then speaker boehner can't sell it as a victory to his conference? the president said that to him in this meeting, you have $33 billion in cuts, go sell it, tell your caucus you won and let's get a deal. >> savannah guthrie rolling off poll numbers in a chuck fashion. >> reporter: that has the biggest compliment. >> i know it is. you can check them out at 9:00 a.m. eastern on msnbc. and coming up a look at this week's issue of "time" magazine. who shows up with a brake looking like this?
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welcome back to "morning joe." a live picture of downtown manhattan from the top of our building at rockefeller center. joining us "time" magazine's managing editor, rick stengel with this week's issue. last week, it was shale. >> shale ii this week. >> oh. >> next week is the 150th anniversary of the start of the civil war and shelling of fort sumter and we have a fantastic provocative cover about the civil war, why we're still fighting the civil war and why basically ever since the civil war, historians, popular culture have misled people about the cause of the civil war and that is slavery and so much that it's about state's rights or central government. one of our great writers really pulled this and went back and
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said, look, the civil war would never have happened without slavery. we need to continue to face up to that. there's still ramifications. >> does the average person think that? the average school kid, aren't they being taught that? >> polls over the last 50 years shows people think there are all different kinds of causes for the civil war, an overleaning central government, state's rights, keeping the union together rather than slavery being the cause of the union coming asunder. this is a candid look at this and why and who the historians have been, people in popular culture back to gone with the wind, which probably formed a general sense of the civil war more than any book ever did or any textbook. >> and romanticized it and the south. >> romanticized the south. particularly in the south, there's this yearning for it wasn't about slavery, about something else. the amazing thing, one of the things david writes about,
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slavery was by far the biggest financial industry in the country, bigger than cotton, almost anything, even real estate. this was something both the north and south wanted to preserve. part of this denial of america's original sin came from both side, north and south. the north was vested in slavery just like the south was. >> the way you did the cover with the tear, explain that. >> we have a classic picture of lincoln after he was elected, before he took office and grew his famous bareard. we painted a tear on his face, we did this with ronald reagan. >> you got in trouble. >> the same artist painted the tear, the idea being lincoln himself would be sad that people don't realize the crux of the moral issue that caused the civil war. >> you have pat buchanan in washington. you're a historian, know everything there is to know about the history of this country. >> didn't pat know lincoln
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personally? >> drinking buddies. >> general lee and i were good friends. >> pat, what's your take on this? >> i think the cause was abraham lincoln, a strong president, would not let the union come apart and would really use the sword to bring it back together. i say that for this reason, the confederate state, many of them -- seven of them seceded under president james buchanan and did nothing and were gone. there were more slave states in the union outside the union. eight in the union and seven outside the union. i think cessation was basically the cause for the war for the reason lincoln, quite frankly, offered in his first inaugural a constitutional amendment, the first 13th amendment to make slavery permanent in the united states in the 15 states where it existed. in other words, he was telling the confederate states, if you
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will come back home, we will make slavery permanent in a constitutional amendment. but they wanted to stay out. i think lincoln provoked the war, re-supplied fort sumter, so in my judgment, the cause of the war basically is a figure like lincoln, an andrew jackson figure who said, i'll go down and kill every one of them if i have to, to put this union back together. >> pat, he certainly talked about the perhaps of preserving the union, the famous speech he said, i'll preserve the union with slavery or without. you look at the first inaugural, he said there's a fundamental difference between north and south. one wants slavery and one doesn't even though there were slavery states in the north. lincoln said in private writings and private conversation, if not for slavery, the union would have stayed together, would have found a way to stay together and ultimately, lincoln's purpose became defeating slavery. >> i think you're right, if it
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had not been for slavery, it probably would have stayed together. what caused the war, i think, was abraham lincoln. >> why we're still fighting the civil war. the new cover of "time" magazine, the endless battle over the war's true cause would make lincoln weep. sure to cause conversation in this country. rick stengel, thank you. >> thank you. saying the tea party has taken over the budget negotiations, talk to congressman chris van hollen. [ woman ] we take it a day at a time.
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with our colleagues across the aisle and hopeful we will come to some agreement. the house will act to make sure the government is open while we reduce spending. i feel good about eventually getting a deal. >> joining us now from washington, democratic congressman of maryland, ranking member on the house budget committee, congressman chris van hollen. good to see you this morning. >> good to be with you. >> can you give us any hope now? president obama had the big meeting last night with speaker boehner, majority leader harry reid. the deadline is looming, midnight tomorrow, can we get a deal done here? >> we hope we can get a deal done. as things stand right now where they did late last night when the president talked to the nation, we're very much hoping we can get a deal. what has been clear is speaker boehner is not really in control of his own caucus. what you've seen over the last
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weeks and months now the tea party wing of the republican caucus in the house is driving the train. that's why you see them continuing to move the goalposts. look, i hope we can come together and get a deal. obviously c t obviously, the clock is ticking and we need to get it done as the president and others have said. >> norah. >> congressman, i know you're blaming the republicans for this and boehner can't control his own party. isn't it true the democrats deserve some blame as well? this is last year's budget and democrats were in control of both the house and senate last year. do you accept some responsibility? >> i'm not -- i'm not trying to point blame, i'm just asking the american people to follow the facts of this, norah, as you know, last year, we did pass a budget enforcement act that did lay out all the spending levels for the current year we're in. in fact, in december, we then cut $40 billion from the president's budget. the republicans came in and the speaker said, we want to do
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another $32 billion. that's what they put on the table. the tea party caucus in the house said that was unacceptable. the president has then put on the table $33 billion, more than the speaker originally asked for and now the speaker said, no. look, the american people can judge for themselves what's happening. in addition to insisting having their number or they'll shut down the government, they also demanded to be able to pick and choose what the cuts are. in other words, they say you have to cut education, you have to cut cancer research at nih and cut planned parenthood instead of cutting some of subsidies for oil industry or big agricultural subsidies. if you're really interested in deficit reduction and not trying to drive a social agenda through the budget, you shouldn't care how we cut, you shouldn't be dictating the terms of the cuts
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themselves. >> congressman, donny deutche. i'm sorry. >> i was just going to add an objective reading is the democrats failed to pass a budget last year, now, what's going on, you guys are a few billion apart on this, which is a minuscule amount of money in the scheme of things, it's less nan than 1% of the entire budget and there are policy riders that the republicans in the house have put on there, controversial policy riders holding this up. i guess my question this morning to you, congressman as the president said last night, when he appeared in the briefing room at 10:45, there are very narrow differences and asked you to go back to work in the middle of the night. was anybody working after they talked to the president and what are the narrow differences and if there hasn't been any change from last night to this morning, who's really working on this to trying to figure out a compromise? >> as you know, norah, the main conversations are between the parties at the white house yesterday. the president brought the main
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parties together, that was speaker boehner and harry reid, the democratic leader in the senate. they've been trying to work out a compromise for some time now. but i know you said that we're dealing with a very small part of the budget and you're right. that's the problem. because they're trying to squeeze a huge amount of cuts out of a small part of the budget. in fact, you're talking about 20, 25% cuts in some of these agencies, cuts in nih, that will affect their ability to do research, cuts in education, and we agree with what you suggest is we should look at the whole pie, we should not say, okay, we're not going to deal with subsidies for the oil companies or not deal with agricultural subsidies, let's look at the whole thing. they said, no, you have to only look at this narrow list of things we want to talk about because that social agenda, driving that through the budget seems to be the priority.
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>> congressman, donny deutche, savannah that sand lain that la the president's management style staying above the fray, saying you democrats figure it out, i think the president should do. as a democrat, you feel your leader is handing off the ball and not running fininterferencee way he should and letting you guys down a little bit? >> i think he's trying to bring the parties together and saying, look, i will try and broker the discussion between the two sides. i will say, as we get into the discussion for the budget for 2012, when we do get to really the main event, it's going to be absolutely essential that the president weigh in very clearly then. we've got some very big issues. as he's indicated in the past, if you're going to deal with the big budget, you can no longer say the top 2% of americans are going to have the low tax rates from the last couple of years. we need to go back to the
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clinton rates for the folks at the very top. what we're seeing in the budget is being presented by republicans now, they want to keep those breaks in place, including for a lot of special interests and cut things like education and ultimately take away the medicare guarantee for they're very clear about that. so the president's going to have to weigh in this a big way when we get to the main event which is coming right up. hopefully we can get this discussion that's on us right now behind us for the good of the country. then move on to the big debate where there's some very big differences and the men people will have a very clear choice. >> that's the important point to make. what we're talking about this week is chicken feed compared to the challenges we've got ahead. congressman, thank you. we'll talk to donald trump coming up. the "wall street journal" poll shows him in second place behind
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welcome back. we'll take a look at some of the morning papers. the federal aviation administration is firing yet another air traffic controller who was sleeping on the job. knoxville, tennessee controller willfully napped on the job, they say. this morning we said seven planes that flew into airspace during that time landed unassisted. the faa says that in fact another controller working at different facility in the airport's tower was able to monitor those seven aircrafts so they weren't totally flying blind. they landed safely. but again sleeping in the tower. "new york times" bob dylan played his first concert ever in mainland, china just last night and agreed to a set list carefully approved by the chinese government. among songs he did not play "the times they are changin'."
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times are changing for bob dylan. mr. revolutionary. we want to show you a clip from "conan" last night. last week the hit program "way too early" was knocked off the air on friday because we had an audio problem. it is good to know that we have company. two nights ago if you were living on the west coast and you tuned in to see conan's program you actually saw 23 consecutive minutes of commercials. the show never came on. it eventually went dark then viewers saw this. that was on live television, reracking the tape. last night conan had a little fun explaining what happened. >> an investigation was immediately launched to find out what went wrong down there in atlanta. now after an exhaustive inquiry based on testimony, surveillance footage and our own unfair
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cultural bias, this is what we think happened. >> hey, carl, i got your oppossum chile. >> great. why didn't you just put it on the conan west coast feed machine. >> all right. >> oh, no! you done ruined my chile! >> woo! >> hey! what the hell is going on here? you can't have a chile stomp at work -- without me! >> just ugly cultural stereotypes, donny. and bad southern accents, if i can submit that. >> interesting thing, you're allowed to do that. donald trump next on "morning joe."anagemen sun life financial should be a household name...
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this is very serious. i mean i always take things seriously but i've never taken it seriously like this. this is a very serious time in my life. i hate what's happening to the country. i wish i didn't have to do it. i wish this country was running so great and i wish obama was the greatest president since abraham lincoln and i wish this was the greatest place in the world. what we're doing is unbelievable. >> good morning and welcome back to "morning joe." it is 8:00 on the east coast as you take a live look over manhattan on a thursday morning. returning to the set, ed rendell and donny deutsch, pat buchanan
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is with us from washington and on capitol hill, kelly o'donnell. >> we're going to talk to donald trump. he's going to call in this about three or four minutes here. donny, we've got a new poll out, nbc news/"wall street journal" poll. all the people laughing at donald trump, he's now in second place behind mitt romney. >> donald's a friend of mine. i think it is it's interesting that people think it unfathomable he could be president. i think wait a minute, he obviously has a great economic mind, is a leader, is aggressive and i could say is more poised to be president that a guy who spent his whole entire life in politics. joe scarborough wrote an interesting piece i think for politico or daily beast saying they laughed at reagan. what's the difference. if we can have an actor as a president, an action hero as a governor of california, why not donald trump. >> so donald trump as ronald reagan. >> ronald reagan had been governor of california, very big
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and important job. that's a little different. but i think donald trump ai's saying some things that are very important for the country. friend of mine and obviously i don't agree with him on a lot of stuff, but what he says about china i think is right on. it is a responsive chord and is very responsible. where donald loses me -- again i love him -- where where he loses me gets into this birther stuff. he's too smart. he understands that's ba. >> more interesting numbers, pat, if you look inside these polls, among tea partiers now, donald trump gets more votes than anybody among republican contenders. 20%. that's more than romney, more than huckabee, more than sarah palin. >> look. that's perot's number. perot did enorly lus well with these folks who are alienated from the system. whatever you say about the donald it be he's colorful, he's a doer, an achiever, a builder. no pale pastels.
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says it like it is. there's a lot of sort of colorless figures i think in politics and he's not one of them. that has tremendous appeal to the people who are sort of outside of both parties. >> kelly? >> there are lots of pale pastels in his tie collection. >> kelly's plugging his ties. we'll leave you out of this donald trump conversation. let's talk about the business at hand though for the country, a late night meeting last night at the white house. president obama, speaker boehner, majority leader reid producing no results. they came out sort of saying the right things. we believe there's progress to be made. are we headed for a shutdown, kelly? >> when the first sentence includes the word "frank" and "productive" and "constructive" conversation. you know are you in a bit of trouble. it was very unusual for the president to be jumping into the briefing room to appear before cameras at almost 11:00 p.m. when you are talking about an unscheduled and unplanned meeting. that gives you a sense of the
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urgency certainly the president feels. and then leader reid and speaker boehner also talked about narrowing some issues. now that's important. if they can narrow some issues that could give some sign that they're making progress. they've been saying progress for a few days an they all say the shutdown cannot happen because of the enormous consequences for people across the country who are depending on either their government job or a loan from the government or all the myriad of things that could come to pass if it doesn't work out. today one of the things house republicans will try to do is bring to the floor again another short-term extension, another week of funding to just prevent this from going off the rails. i get a sense that people are more seriously preparing for a shutdown than they have been but at the same time, they're still talking. the president an the leaders who were there instructed all the staffers to work through the night to try and keep hammering away at this. >> i want to hear what some of the principals said late last
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night after they came out of the meetings. >> it was very honest, we've narrowed the issues significantly. and we're going to continue working. i have confidence we can get this done. we're not there yet but hope lies eternal. >> we do have some honest differences but do i think we made some progress. but i want to reiterate, there's no agreement on a number and there's no agreement on the policy issues. but there's an attempt on both sides to continue to work together to resolve this. no one wants the government to shut down. >> governor rendell, you've been in the room for these negotiations, you've got two sides at a stalemate. take us inside. is anybody going to budge here by midnight tomorrow? >> you got two big issues, the number an social causes that are in the republican budget.
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president obama, senator reid cannot accept getting rid of npr, cannot accept planned parenthood. that's politically not feasible for them. the republicans are going to have to strip those out and go strictly budget. no social policy. secondly if it's just the number you think it will come down somewhere between 40 and 33. >> there was a pew poll that basically said the average american when asked if this would affect them if the government shut down said no. who loses more in the public's eye if the government shuts down? strangely enough, the republicans have more to lose here? >> reporter: it is interesting because both parties are going to take some serious hits. it might be different than it was back in the '90s just because of the times we're in and the public preparedness for more cutting. that's what republicans are talking about. but the democrats have been able especially the president coming can out and putting in more time and trying to sort of appear more reasonable and that's one
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of the things we're seeing all these sides trying to do. might give certainly democrats a bigger advantage. i think that what we're hearing from people behind the scenes i can tell you senate republicans i talk to do not want a shutdown. they seem even much more willing to try to close the deal. and for the house, they're saying okay we don't want a shutdown with very few exceptions. but i think speaker boehner has been telling his folks that he would be hurt and to try to see those consequences if they can't get it done. i think everybody feels the pain already. people are asking about it all over the campus here on capitol hill. we're talking about it every day. so i think there's a sense that this is really a problem because people know what to expect now. it isn't like the '90s where it was harder to figure out what the consequences would be. it's much more vivid now and people's paychecks are at stake and their ability to do their jobs and a lot of other things, not just in washington but around the country, making the stakes really, really high. when the president came to the podium last night one of the
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things he said -- you got to remember, this is about real people who are waiting on paychecks and jobs and loans from the government and all kind of things. so there a's a sense that this is more about just the political fight of the moment and they're trying to make it more personal. >> something like 800,000 federal employees would be furloughed. this has a big impact. want to bring in now on the phone donald trump. he's just called in joining us. good morning, donald. >> good morning. >> so we've got these new polls out, nbc news/wall street courage poll, have you tied for second among republican candidates, tied with mike huckabee, just four points close to within the margin of error for mitt romney. what do these numbers tell you, donald? >> that's too bad. i thought i was going to do much better than that. i don't like being second. >> you're moving up at least. >> i'm like ed rendell, we don't like being second, ed. right? >> that's right. donald, the panel is packed with your supporters. >> i like this call. they said could you call in at this time? i said who's on? they said you three guys.
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i said absolutely. >> donald, let's talk serious matters here. we're watching to a lot of people what looks like kind of a pathetic proceeding in washington where you can't even get people to agree on a budget for six months let alone a budget to take us through the next several decades. if you were president of the united states, what would you be doing differently? >> well, i'd be getting people together and i would be getting them to go along and let's approve something. you have to get something ton. the big thing is going to be next year because next year you're talking about trillions. so if you can't talk about $30 billion, you're going to have a really hard time talking about trillions. that's what's going to be happening. but the president is not leading well. it is going to be very interesting. i'm hearing the republicans will be blamed if there's a shutdown. i'm also hearing from other groups that democrats -- i think the one that's going to suffer greatly will be the president. and, frankly, from the standpoint of embarrassment, if the republicans wanted to really embarrass the president, which i hope they don't, of course, that wouldn't be a very nice thing to
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do, but let the government shut down for a couple of days. i think he's the one that would take the heat. >> donald, at the top of the show they asked me, is this serio serious? i said of course it is. i was touting your credentials. governor brought up the point, if i was running your campaign, i would say bro, what's with the birther stuff? that's not what you're here for. whole issue in this country to your point now is the economics, the deficit, the mesh public doesn't care about that. i would say, bro, get back on track here. what are you doing with this birther stuff? >> donald, it's ed. let me say, in my mind and in the mind of a lot of independents, trivializes what you're saying and you're saying some important things that the country has to hear. get off this birther stuff. >> well, i fully understand what you guys are saying and i appreciate your statements. and it is very serious and i think you know it is very serious. offense the years people have asked me to do this before and i never did really consider it very long. one time i considered it but not
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for a very long period. that was for the reform party. they wanted me so badly. but i looked at the people and i said this just isn't for me. frankly, the country wasn't in trouble like it is light now so it is totally serious. i'll be making a decision some time prior to june. think my credentials are great. first of all, i dealt with politicia politicians. somebody said he doesn't have experience. i've dealt with politicians all of my life and in factfy could deal with ed rendell who's been a friend of mine for 25 years, i could deal with anybody. i've dealt successfully with politicians and political people and people from other countries. i'm building projects in other countries. i've dealt successfully for many, many years and made billions of dollars. i mean actually one of the things that will be interesting is that if you run for president, you have to put in financial disclosure. i'm actually looking forward to doing that. i mean that's one of the -- i look forward because i have really built a great company.
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>> donald, the whole thing is that you're not a politician yet you just did the politician thing. governor and i both asked, we love you, get off the birth he thing. you didn't respond to it. >> i'm getting back to the birther thing. >> this is a short show. >> first you said are you serious. i'm answering the fact that i am very serious and i'll be making that announcement that i think i have a great track record. i've made billions and billions of dollars. okay. now as far as the birther is concerned. i always start off by talking and very strongly talking about i went to a great college, maybe the best, the war ton school of finance, the number one business school, et cetera, et cetera, i was a good student, i was a smart guy, i have very high aptitude tests, all of that stuff. frankly, anybody who gets labeled birther -- which is a very derogatory term the way the press uses it -- is automatically considered not a very smart person. the fact is he doesn't have a birth certificate, or he hasn't shown it. i'd love him to show it.
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because if i decide to run i'd like to beat him straight up, not on an issue like this. but he shows a certificate of live birth which is totally different. i have to say, if this were bush or somebody else he would have been run out of office on all of these folks. his grandmother in kenya said, oh, no, he was born in kenya and i was there and i witnessed the birth. now she's on tape and i think that tape's going to be produced fairly soon, someone's coming out with a book in about two weeks. it's going to be very interesting. but the grandmother in kenya is on record saying he was born in kenya. the hospital has not only no birth certificate -- or if they have it, they shall produce it. or maybe there's something on it -- who knows -- but they have no records that he was there. the family is fighting over which hospital in hawaii he was born in. nobody knows which hospital. they say, no, it is this one, no, it's that one. their family in hawaii is fighting. a couple of other things. when i was born in jamaica hospital in queens, when i was
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born, there are records saying how much my parents paid for the doctor, who the doctor was, what room number i was born in, all of these things that you have. there's not one record in any hospital in hawaii that barack hussein obama was born there. >> donald, let me just ask you. don't you think if this were all true, hillary clinton, for god's sakes, and john mccain even further, would have gotten to the bottom of this? >> excuse me, they lost the election. they lost! they didn't win. they lost! and i will tell you, this is an amazing issue because everybody -- i've had friends both ways, but i've had some very smart friends call me, say donald, you are so good on china ripping us off, something like that, you are so good that china is ripping off the united states and that south korea and everything -- you're so good on
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those issues. please say. i say, no, those are my main issues. 100%. what china is doing to our country is disgraceful. what opec is doing to our country is unbelievable and disgraceful. yesterday by the way a report came out, there's so much oil, people don't know what -- i was watching -- i was very disloyal, i was watching cnbc for about two seconds yesterday. >> come on, donald. you know better than that. >> i'm ashamed of myself but i'm still in business and on occasion i have to turn there. they had three analysts on, it was sad. they said there's so much oil. we don't understand the shipping business. everything is bad. we don't understand. there's so much oil. why is the price not going down? one guy said well we think it has to do with the psychology. we think -- they're all giving -- the only thing they didn't mention is opec. i said you got these three idiots sitting there talking about oil prices being high despite the fact that oil is coming out of everyone's ears. there are ships all over the sea loaded up with oil and they don't know where to dump it and
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the only thing they don't mention as the cause for why oil is up to $108 a barrel, the only thing they don't mention is opec. it's unbelievable. so i'm best at that stuff and i agree. you know what? when i started on the so-called birther issue, it was about four weeks ago when i was asked a question by somebody. i said, well, he probably was born here. i'm in the business world, i haven't really focused on that issue. i've heard about that issue for years and a lot of people feel very strongly about it -- both ways. when i really started looking into the facts -- and i really started, i have people looking really deeply -- hey donnie, i guarantee you, the hospital -- they did a good job because look how good you look when you came out. i guarantee, you go to that hospital from whatever year it was -- >> long island jewish hospital in queens. >> you go to long island jewish,
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they got your room number, your doctor, how much your mommy and daddy paid for this horrible accident on nature, all of these things. they've got every little detail, how long you were there, what time you check out. there's not one hospital in hawaii with any record that he was born there. now let me just go to the final point, ed. >> final point. >> the final point on the birther is the newspaper. guess what? his grandparents probably put in a thing because everybody wanted to become a united states citizen. more so than today, to be honest with you, because they were more proud in those days. but for purposes of hospitalization and welfare and -- you want to become an american citizen so the grandparents living in honolulu, givi living in hawaii, probably put it in. very simple explanation. they didn't do it because they thought he was going to be president. they put it in because they wanted him to become a united states citizen bass everybody
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wanted that. >> donald, let's get pat in here before we let you go. >> donald, the honolulu advertiser, i guess it was almost a week later had put in the previous week's births and it's got barack hussein obama -- >> right! absolutely. you know who did that, pat? the grant parents living over there. you just said the key words -- it was one week later! so he could have been born in ken that, they come over to the united states, the grandparents -- they put the ads in. i'm telling you, there is a major chance that this guy has violated the united states constitution and there is absolutely -- look. >> donald, one would have to travel -- you'd have to bring the kid out of kenya and bring him back to the united states. you got documents for all that, do you not? i mean the mother would have to travel within a short period of time -- >> pat, there are documents. pat, there are. you know what i asked myself?
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why has obama spent over $2 million on trying to get away from this issue? why? you know the funny thing, if i were a reporter -- thank god i'm not -- i would be on this issue. because you know what? fy proved it right, i would be the water gate reporter. i would be one of the great reporters in history. i would have uncovered the greatest scam ever in this country. >> donald, i got to jump in. we'll do a real-life role play to see as a president what kind of negotiator you would be. i left one of your buildings recently as willie pointed out. i moved into a town house and you and myself were fighting over a security deposit. we're about $15,000 apart. your people claim they need to put a new bathtub in, i don't take baths. can we split the difference? >> you can do whatever you want. we miss you in the building, donnie. and donnie left a beautiful apartment. unfortunately, his dog ripped the crap out of the moldings. is that right, donnie? >> it's a vicious -- must be a vicious -- >> i don't take baths!
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>> i know, that dog really ripped up. but you know what, donnie, whatever you say is okay with me. >> now donald, these are the issues the american people care about. >> donny deutsch's dog. >> you want to see how fast we can make a deal? >> he made the deal happen. >> if you're happy with it, i'm happy with it. >> i love you, bro. but imagine sitting across the table from a foreign leader, he got it done. i think that was very interesting. >> donald, i would just submit you may have a problem when pat buchanan is shooting holes in your -- >> i don't think he is. i think when he hears the facts he won't be. you know what? there is a big possibility and people have to look at that. i'm sorry. >> donald trump, thanks so much for calling in. >> so long, fellows. great show. >> who's better than him? huh? >> nobody. >> but it is a problem. willie is absolutely right. he has so many important things to say that really resonate. this conspiracy theory is absurd. you're right, all you have to do is look at travel visas and see.
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our next guest writes about the dangerous u.s. game in yemen and why the stakes could be greater than the situation in libya. jeremy skahill from "the nation" is next. first here's bill karins with a check of the forecast. we're watching pretty nice weather on the east coast. middle of the country is okay. all the bad weather's on the west coast lately and where it continues to be today. one of the craziest places lately, seattle. 40 days in a row without any sunshine. in the northeast, the forecast for today, not bad. watching rain exiting long island, 45 in boston. look how nice it will be in d.c., temperature around 69. the rest of the country, thunderstorms this afternoon. kansas city and st. louis, chicago your chance of rain comes after dark today. but it is gorgeous down in georgia, masters teed off. you're watching "morning joe" brewed by starbucks. [ sneezes ] allergies?
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the united states from the very beginning said that we will, of course, do our part. we began to do a lot of the work that we were uniquely capable of doing. but we have every confidence in
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what nato is doing now. given the mission that nato is performing, it is performing admirably. >> secretary of state clinton in washington yesterday insisting the united states has complete confidence in the nato alliance in libya. the military action there has many questioning why the u.s. intervened in that country and no other places like syria, bahrain and especially yemen. joining us "the nation's" jeremy skahill's recent issue "the dangerous u.s. game in yemen." he writes in part, a serious case to be made the u.s.' states are much higher for the united states in yemen or libya. while secretary of state hillary clinton and other u.s. officials condemning violence in yemen, they stopped far short of calling for an end to the regime or military action. jeremy, great to have you this morning. >> i say this donald trump
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birther thing -- you could have someone on to talk about how donald trump is a lizard man. donald trump must have the most expensive tinfoil hat in the world. >> he could replace "the beckster" on fox. >> donald trump was a lizard? >> trump was your opening act today, jeremy. let's talk about yemen. what is the key difference as we look at these? when we went into libya, we were stopping at the humanitarian crisis. yet we're watching people shot in the streets in yemen by their own government. what's the difference? >> first, moammar gadhafi is considered an international pariah. not many friends in the international community. i think many people in governments in the world would have no problem with seeing him go. in the case of yemen, the united states has been in bed with the dictator ali abdullah saleh firmly for the past decade.
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he made an agreement with the bush administration that u.s. special operations forces to go into yemen and kill al qaeda. the obama administration has doubled down on support for the dictator in yemen. >> the amazing thing, he's taking responsibility for bombs we're dropping on al qaeda. >> when general petraeus was the centcom commander in the early stages of the obama administration went to yemen and met with saleh and the deputy prime minister of yemen and it was right after the united states had done a series of air strikes with tomahawk cruise missiles launched from submarines and it killed a tremendous amount of civilians in those strikes. petraeus and the president of yemen made an agreement where the president of yemen said we'll continue to lie to our own people in the world and say the bombs are ours and not yours.
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it was a marriage of convenience. the united states doesn't want to be perceived as waging war in an undeclared fashion on yemen. and dropping bombs there. for the president of yemen he's already viewed by many in his country as a puppet for the united states and the saudis so he would rather say it's yemen that's fighting the terrorists here and we're not taking any outside support. but people in yemen know that saleh is in bed with washington and it's really incredible to see the way that the u.s. has handled yemen. people were being shot in the head in massively nonviolent protests by the regime, the most powerful military figure in the country who commands yemen's first armored division defected to the opposition and actually has his forces in saana in the capital of yemen saying he's going to protect them against the president of yemen's forces. i think the united states is just now waking up to the reality that their man is about to go and they're scrambling for a response. one analyst described the response by the u.s. as feckless
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with regard to the dictator there. >> the u.s. is really walking a tight rope here. we need their help fighting al qaeda and the arabian peninsula yet we claim to be defending humanitarian causes around the world. >> that's true. jeremy, now the defense secretary, robert gates, and the pentagon is calling for a transfer of power with saleh who of course has been in power since the late 1970s. and we've had this agreement with him for the past decade. what happens after saleh leaves given everybody believes and is concerned that yemen is a springboard for al qaeda in north africa? >> exactly. or the arabian peninsula. the reality is that there's really the risk of no good options out of this for the united states because if ali abdullah saleh or one of his military proxies remains in power, that's a powerful recruitirecruit ing tool for al qaeda. people are not going to accept in yemen a transfer to one of
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saleh's henchmen. if saleh leaves and the country descends into further chaos, that woel could be fertile ground for al qaeda in the arabian peninsula to expand its operations and have a much more firm ground to stand on inside of yemen. one, norah, special forces colonel that i spoke to who used to work in yemen, went hunting with saleh, said that it is not going to be the united states or al qaeda that determines the future of yemen, it is going to be the tribs and the fact is the u.s. hasn't invested enough in the civilian infrastructure in yemen, instead focusing entirely on this counterterrorism stuff which means that we don't have very good ties with the people that are going to determine the future of that country. >> can you decipher a u.s. foreign policy? >> i think u.s. foreign policy is actually consistent. we want someone like moammar gadhafi out because it is in our interests and we want to keep
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dictator like in saudi arabia, bahrain and yemen in because they're quiet and they do our bidding. actually u.s. policy is quite consistent when it comes to the actions we're seeinging. it is hypocritical on a moral level but it is the way u.s. policy's been done in the middle east for a long time. >> jeremy skahill, great reporting. thanks. when we come back, business before the bell with erin burnett. we're america's natural gas.
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welcome back to "morning joe." let's get a check on "business before the bell" with erin burnett. >> how are you, willie? got some allergies this morning. hopefully they'll clear up because the jobs news four weeks in a row under 400,000. that's our magic number. steady improvement in the jobs market. if you saw a drop to under 350,000 that would be a huge improvement in the jobs market. we are not seeing that but we are seeing slow and steady. no hiccup in that linked yet to higher gasoline prices which are significant. so today's the day retailers come out and say how their store's sales did for march compared to a year ago. it is an important measure. so far i have to say this is where you would expect to see whether consumers are getting hit. numbers are better than
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expected. bed bath beyond, the ultimate discretionary, came out with earnings and a huge increase in forecasts for the full year which means they aren't seeing any issue yet in terms of people pulling back. it is just one anecdote but so far it doesn't look like gas prices are causing a huge issue for consumers as of yet. but inflation obviously is the big thing to watch. i've got one good piece of news on that front and one thing to watch. the good piece of news is we've had a drop in food prices -- sorry, rilly -- i'm trying to find my exact headline here. first drop in food prices around the world in eight months. it is not one drop, i don't think it is the trend. the trend is they're going higher. but rice, sugar, cereal prices all dropped. in europe they raised interest rates this morning. that's a big indicator for where our fed may be going and. >> portugal pleads for rescue.
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big bailout coming there. erin, before we go is it fair to say you're not going to be reporting on donald trump's run for presidency because of the former romantic liaisons? >> whoa. whoa. could i sue for that, donnie. >> but you won't because we care about each other, right? >> erin, thank you so much. we tried to keep it professional. when we come back, watch what happens live. bravo's andy cohen, the run-away late night star. ttd# 1-800-345-2550
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with us now, the executive vice president of original programming and developing for bravo media, host and executive producer of the run-away hit "watch what happens live." andy cohen, welcome back. >> it is officially a run-away juggernaut. >> here's why. tonight's my 100th episode. it's crazy. >> people look at your numbers and go, what? you're beating conan. >> it's doing well. we're not on every night so it is not an apples to apples. but it's fun, we're the only live show in late night other than "saturday night live," obviously. it is just a fun show. it is a good time. >> you know what else doesn't hurt, my children as we walk around new york city, they've now start calling you daddy because they see your face more than they see mine. >> that's not the reason your kids are calling me daddy. >> i don't think that's true.
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in the facts of the case. but we've got buses, we've got taxis -- >> there's an ad campaign going on in new york city. my favorite thing is every day i'm getting tweeted. it is just a right of passage. it is so hilarious. i'm getting tweeted photos of hilarious graffiti of my face. people write "shut up" on my mouth with a piece of tape on it. bravo was kind enough to uncross my eyes in these pictures. so they went to the trouble of uncrossing my eyes. but -- there you go. like people are putting mustaches and eye shadow and it's funny. >> is the goal world dominion here? because it's almost like living in north korea. there's a portrait of kim jong-il everywhere. i can't get away from you. >> that's not the only thing i have in common with life in
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north korea. >> the platform shoes. >> the real sign of success -- andy agot the big celebrity smart-guy glasses. when you want to transcent celebrity, the smart glasses. >> i have my andy's eyes are very dry in the morning glasses on. yes. after the show tonight i want to invite the three of you to bedlam in the east village. i'm going to deejay to celebrate our 100th episode. >> you haven't been there in two weeks. >> i'll be there at about 12:30 this morning. >> you know our hours. >> i have a theory. why is the show so successful? if you were going to break it down. you're an executive also. stepping outside of yourself, why did this hit a nerve? >> i think it is a couple things. first of all, we started and we've expanded beyond it. but we started as a pure
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after-show "the housewives" which is a glorious lead-in and a show that continued the party from whatever you just saw. so i think it is a natural kind of extension of the show that came before it. what we've tried to do is then include other people, donny's done a walk-on on the show. tina fey's been on. fa fallon a's come by a couple times, other people who don't have an affiliation with bravo, come on. the live oh my god did they just say that thing" is attractive to people. i call it a combination betweenen "wayne's world" and a fellini movie. it's like a party everyone's invited to. it is not exclusionary. it is very inviting and it's fun and very unpredictable. >> what i think works about it beyond the stuff you talked about. you mentioned sat kay night live. people are so over-tv'd and so
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overproduced everywhere that the lack of production and the kind of "wink-wink" that we're having fun at tv's expense, which is what "saturday night live" does -- >> it's low-tech. i think we kind of revel in the fact that we're putting on a show. >> let's talk about -- you were interested in the back watching the donald trump interview. i felt that the gentlemen here were pretty tough on donald on his birther claims. >> i think donald trump is really smart obviously. i think he's a great kind of bar nam a barnum & bailey type that gets attention when he needs it and he knows how to work the media. i think that when the celebrity apprentice is off the air it
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will be -- >> you think he's off the tube when the show ends? >> i do. i also think that trump is smart enough to know -- am i really going to open up my life and finances and love history and all the drama with everything in order to run for president? >> he's got the defense -- a reporter will say donald what about all those women. he'll go i love women, women are great. it is built into his brand. i agree i think when the time comes he'll bail because he's not actually going to want to do it. >> i think it is a lead-in to a new show called "celebrity president." >> hey! can we talk after the show? that is great. >> i'll be happy to do the first "celebrity president." >> maybe gary busey will run. >> he's the voice of reason on "celebrity apprentice." i think it is so interesting. but i do think when the season's over things are going to quiet down. >> he's got that heroin stuck in
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there. i don't know if he'll want to let go of it until he absolutely has to. >> polls like that are heady stuff even for a guy that's used to it like donald trump. leading among the tea party and a close second among all republicans? that's stunning. >> you should have him call in tonight. >> i would love to. here's a question. is he electable to the highest office in the land with the hair that he has right now? sbl part of the brand. part of the brand. >> absolutely. >> i never would have said that. he's absolutely electable. >> i put him in top five problems. >> it's in my top five. >> what do we see tonight? >> that's the fun of it! you couldn't know! it's live, live, live! >> crazy! >> it is a premier of "the new york housewives" and after that i'm on with ramona and jill and
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a ton of surprises. >> what time? >> 11:00, man. start at 10:00 and go all the way through. >> andy, thanks. up next, the best of late night. we're america's natural gas.
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time to tell you what we learned today and we start, as always, in washington with pat buchanan. >> i've learned that donny deutsch can neither recognize nor appreciate the pall of the err of his own generation. >> i learn tonight's 100th episode of anything can and will happen. >> andy cohen? >> i think i learned that i have a bheter chance of booking erin's shot than him coming back on this show. it was a little rocky but we always want to have erin back. >> no question donny deutsch's dog is going to become a key issue in the presidential

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